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"As I demonstrate below, Katz’s research is sloppy at best, and negligent at worst..."

This is incorrect, and dangerously so. Katz's "research" is not research, not sloppy, and not negligent. It is intentional gaslighting propaganda presented on behalf of the global Establishment in an effort to create a world in which there are no online spaces where wrongthink is allowed to flourish. He is a propagandist, not a researcher. His "research" is no more "sloppy" or "negligent" than is the "research" of Joseph Goebbels.

I don't know if he is a paid agent carrying out orders or just a fierce Establishment loyalist acting on his own volition, but he serves the same purpose either way. There is an army of these people with the self-righteousness and certitude of the Red Guard, and their objective is nothing less than the complete elimination of public dissent. There is no good faith explanation for the gaping chasm between Katz's argument and the evidence you quite skillfully present in this piece. These people do not deserve the benefit of any doubt. The overly charitable interpretation you give to Katz's propaganda efforts will not be reciprocated. The title should read "The Atlantic has a gaslighting and propaganda problem."

Other than that, great article.

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Ian-- nice work. I suspect that you and I aren’t literally in the same lane politically, but I point that out to make it clear that whatever the truth of that, tactics like JK’s shouldn’t be praised or admired. And I’m very impressed by the work you put into this.

My position, for what it’s worth-- there’s enough actual evidence for someone to be outraged about the platform, if they’re inclined. It’s far less than JK implies, and I do think innuendo is the right word here. I feel like he’s in the neighborhood of Roy Cohn here, a neighborhood I would prefer the left avoid entirely.

He seems now to be saying that he’s not actually arguing for kicking people off the platform at all, and possibly he means it. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he doesn’t give to substack or Hanania.

But I’ve seen a lot of posts calling for people to be deplatformed, and while there’s a range of positions on that side, mostly I see people trying to thread a needle that can’t be threaded, like this: “this isn’t a free speech issue. Nazis shouldn’t have free speech.”

I don’t object to anyone leaving substack on principle over this; it seems to me that they could make that call with the actual true evidence rather than the gilded lily version JK offers. I hope they won’t leave over it, but if they do i wish them well. I respect people who make a principled stand, even if I don’t share their view. I don’t respect people who profit from grandstanding. He’s misled a lot of good people, as I see it.

He has said that he can’t afford to leave substack. So this means he’s smearing the substack people with undefended innuendo, while risking not one cent of the money he makes from their policies.

In the end, I assume a lot of people will get tired of beating this horse and get back to beating the horse I preferred to see beaten, the issue of antisemitism creeping into progressive orthodoxy. I don’t know if JK has condemned that; in my view that’s a real problem, and the Nazis-on-substack problem doesn’t compare.

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