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Sam Kahn's avatar

Nice piece Ian! Great allusions. I absolutely agree with you on the comparison to e.g. the attack on the Goths after Columbine. Saying that Gutenberg shouldn't share culpability for what's published on a printing press is fair as well. I didn't realize that Katz had found only 16 instances of "Nazi-inflected" speech on Substack - out of 17,000. Talk abut cherrypicking! The only place I disagree is that this article wasn't innocent or well-intentioned. It was a classic hatchet job aimed at a new and threatening form of media. Nice job!

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Ian Nolan's avatar

Well, his defense so far seems to be to surreptitiously accuse me of being a bad writer, which is a bargain-basement rejoinder if ever I’ve heard one, but it’s also exactly what I expected. People with no integrity like Katz who play dirty pool constantly use both this tactic and their powerful clout to assume they can swat critics out of their way.

It’s actually one of the best outcomes, because it vindicates me. I completely called it in the article, and all he’s going to do going forward is keep denying it like a mantra. That’s what people who have gotten too comfortable with crafting their own reality bolstered by a wide sycophant base do.

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Pardonne mon français . . . Je suis obligé d'écrire dans plusieurs langues parce que: 1. La plupart des gens aux États-Unis ont subi un lavage de cerveau leur faisant croire que les Juifs sont leur salut; et 2., leur anglais est de la merde et ils ne peuvent pas rester silencieux assez longtemps pour entendre ou voir ce qui se passe évidemment autour d'eux . . .

Le judéo-messianisme répand parmi nous son message empoisonné depuis près de deux mille ans. Les universalismes démocratique et communiste sont plus récents, mais ils n’ont fait que renforcer le vieux récit juif. Ce sont les mêmes idéaux.

Les idéaux transnationaux, transraciaux, transsexuels, transculturels que ces idéologies nous prêchent (au-delà des peuples, des races, des cultures) et qui sont le subsistance quotidienne de nos écoles, dans nos médias, dans notre culture populaire, à nos universités, et sur nos rues, ont fini par réduire notre identité biosymbolique et notre fierté ethnique à leur expression minimale.

Le judaïsme, le christianisme, et l’islam sont des cultes de mort originaires du Moyen-Orient et totalement étrangers à l’Europe et à ses peuples.

On se demande parfois pourquoi la gauche européenne s’entend si bien avec les musulmans. Pourquoi un mouvement souvent ouvertement antireligieux prend-il le parti d’une religiosité farouche qui semble s’opposer à presque tout ce que la gauche a toujours prétendu défendre ? Une partie de l’explication réside dans le fait que l’Islam et le marxisme ont une racine idéologique commune: le judaïsme.

Don Rumsfeld avait raison lorsqu’il disait: «L’Europe s’est décalé sur son axe», c’est le mauvais côté qui a gagné la Seconde Guerre mondiale, et cela devient chaque jour plus clair . . . Qu’a fait l’OTAN pour défendre l’Europe? Absolument rien . . . Mes ennemis ne sont pas à Moscou, à Damas, à Téhéran, à Riyad ou dans quelque croque-mitaine teutonique éthéré, mes ennemis sont à Washington, Bruxelles et Tel Aviv.

Nous socialistes nationaux est venu à libéré Paris, nous ne l'avons pas détruit.

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/pardonne-mon-francais-va-te-faire

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TeeJae's avatar

"this article wasn't innocent or well-intentioned. It was a classic hatchet job aimed at a new and threatening form of media." -- That was my first thought, as well.

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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

Ilhan Omar (D-MN) and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) have every right to say what they like about Israel and the genocide of Palestinians as elected members of the US House of Representatives; they never took an oath to serve Israel . . .

I voted for Ron Desantis (R-FL) to be governor of Florida, not ambassador to Israel.

The recently ousted Speaker of the US House of Representatives, Congressman Kevin McCarthy (R-CA), who took at least a dozen votes to get elected speaker, traveled to Israel immediately upon his election, declaring to the Israeli Knesset that the USA is steadfastly committed to supporting Ukraine in their war against Russia . . .

Was he running for speaker of the Israeli Knesset too?

Following his ouster . . . McCarthy (R-CA) traveled abroad again, this time to England, and expressed his open contempt for the white Republicans who make up the majority of the GOP and praised Democrats for their diversity during a debate at Oxford in the wake of his ouster as House Speaker . . .

Is he now running for the Prime Minister of the U.K.?

Nevertheless, he is free to go on media tours bashing white people and lobbying for Israel, because he has now resigned from the US House of Representatives . . . I can only conclude that the collective RINO butthurt over former Speaker McCarthy is all about the Israelis who have hijacked the American deep state war machine.

It has become so painfully obvious, especially where you have someone like Nikki Haley wagging her finger and shouting down Vivek Ramaswamy in a presidential debate on live national television when the questions of this Ukrainian war against Russia and any mention of Israel are concerned, that the United States government has become a wholly owned subsidiary of the American Israeli Political Action Committee.

https://cwspangle.substack.com/i/138320669/fight-your-own-wars-you-kikesucking-zionist-ass-whores

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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

In what the late Saddam Hussein once dubbed “the great Satan,” roughly two-thirds of the United States enlisted military corps is white . . .

The fat, bulbous, U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin once confirmed in a 93-2 vote of the U.S. Senate, immediately embarked on a whirlwind media tour of duty, telling the pseudo-secular sycophants in the state-controlled tabloid press and state-controlled television talk show circuit about how the U.S. Army is full of bad racist white men.

Senior Defense Department leaders celebrating yet another Pride Month at the Pentagon sounding the alarm about the rising number of state laws they say target the LGBTQ+ community, warned the trend is hurting the feelings of the armed forces . . . “LGBTQ plus and other diverse communities are under attack, just because they are different. Hate for hate’s sake,” said Gil Cisneros, the Pentagon’s undersecretary for personnel and readiness, who also serves as DoD’s chief diversity and inclusion officer.

And now the U.S. Army is doing ads begging for more young white males?

What happened?

Even with a full-on declaration of war from Congress, and even if Gavin Newsome could be cheated into the Oval Office by ZOG somehow, while Globohomo diversity brigades go door-to-door looking to impress American children into military service, they will be met with armed, well-trained opposition, the invasion at the Southern border is going full tilt, and the drugs are flowing in like never before . . .

With the borders of Europe and the USA wide open, civil warfare within the USA, Britain, and most of Europe is a certainty if foreign wars are initiated. Nobody is going to fight a war for Biden, he is dumber than Bush . . . Nobody is going to fight a war for that kikesucking Zionist ass-whore Nikki Haley, and I mean nobody.

Get ready for it . . . the fat old devil worshipping fags on Capitol Hill, on Wall Street, in Whitehall, and in Brussels are in no shape to fight a war themselves, and most Americans are armed to the teeth with their own guns . . . NATO hates heterosexual white men . . . they said so themselves . . .

https://cwspangle.substack.com/i/138320669/nato-an-anti-white-and-anti-family-institution

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Insufferable's avatar

If no one is calling you a Nazi, are you even Substacking?

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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

Judeo-messianism has been spreading its poisonous message among us for nearly two thousand years. Democratic and communist universalisms are more recent, but they have only reinforced the old Jewish narrative. They are the same ideals.

The transnational, transracial, transsexual, transcultural ideals that these ideologies preach to us (beyond peoples, races, cultures) and that are the daily sustenance of our schools, in our media, in our popular culture, in our universities, and on our streets have ended up reducing our biosymbolic identity and our ethnic pride to its minimum expression.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are death cults originating in the Middle East and totally alien to Europe and its peoples.

Sometimes we wonder why the European left gets along so well with Muslims. Why does an often overtly anti-religious movement side with a fierce religiosity that seems to oppose almost everything the left has always sought to defend? Part of the explanation lies in the fact that Islam and Marxism have a common ideological root: Judaism.

Don Rumsfeld was right when he said, "Europe has shifted on its axis," was the wrong side that won World War II, and it becomes clearer every day . . .

What has NATO done to defend Europe?

Absolutely nothing.

My enemies are not in Moscow, Damascus, Tehran, Riyadh or some ethereal Teutonic bogeyman, my enemies are in Washington, Brussels and Tel Aviv.

Heil Hitler.

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/pardonne-mon-francais-va-te-faire

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William Hunter Duncan's avatar

Katz is a free-form slanderer, for whom anyone who is not fully enthralled to the Dem/globalist Narrative is a Nazi. He is effectively demanding Substack do what Google and Meta do, work directly with the Feds to censor everyone who is not sufficiently accepting of their authoritarian regime. And of course he could not work for The Atlantic if we was not such a marionette.

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Ian Nolan's avatar

I can’t confirm that he’s a slanderer, but he is certainly a weasel. Even by his own admission; he refuses to give concrete numbers of how many blogs he’s found on the grounds that “there could be many more than he’s aware of”. That’s very sloppy journalistic standards.

In all fairness to The Atlantic, though, I don’t think they’re one hundred percent left-leaning since one of their columnists is Conservative David Frum, and if I recall correctly, they’ve hosted from George Will as well, but don’t quote me on that. I will say it’s quite a drop down in standards hosting Katz.

I’ve reached out to The Atlantic about this. We’ll see if they respond.

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William Hunter Duncan's avatar

George Will and David Frum get to write for The Atlantic because they confirm for liberals their Trump derangement, and otherwise greenlight neoliberal feudalism, aka the GAE Empire - is my estimation. As to slander, calling Vivek Ramaswamy, RFK Jr, NS Lyons and Oswald Spengler fascist is beyond the pale. Maybe it doesn't look like slander because that has become the defacto response to anyone who questions the liberal project. I will be curious too if you hear from The Atlantic. I appreciate you making the effort.

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Ian Nolan's avatar

Well, like I said: I can’t prove that, so I’ll tread cautiously (but it’s not impossible). I’ll be waiting to hear back, but I honestly don’t have much confidence I will.

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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

“You can easily understand how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived . . .

He had boundless ambition for his country which rendered him a menace to the peace of the world, but he had a mystery about him in the way he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him.

He had in him the stuff of which legends are made.”

― John Fitzgerald Kennedy

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Michael Magoon's avatar

I seriously doubt that it was an “innocent mistake” of the Atlantic magazine to publish this piece. They are clearly trying to destroy the competition.

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Ian Nolan's avatar

Well, it’s not clear to me, but rather, hypothetical. Don’t get me wrong; there’s a strong likelihood you’re right. But without definitive proof, I have to give benefit of the doubt.

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Michael Magoon's avatar

OK, but don’t give them the benefit of the doubt if they do it a second time.

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Ian Nolan's avatar

Noted.

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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

“Why are the Jews hated? It is the inevitable result of their laws. They either have to conquer everybody or be hated by the whole human race.” — François-Marie Voltaire

“Oh how fond they are of the book of Esther, which is so beautifully attuned to their bloodthirsty, vengeful, murderous yearning and hope.” — Martin Luther

“Wherever you find the sowers of discord, the sowers of strife, wherever you find the sowers of the destruction of a civil society, there you will find the Jew, hard at work.” ― Henry Ford

“The Jewish people have said that Hollywood is theirs. Can any of you deny that they are the masters of Hollywood, where sex, lesbianism, homosexuality and violence are promoted?” — Louis Farrakhan

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TeeJae's avatar

While eliminating the competition may be a factor, it seems the main/ultimate goal is to eliminate any views which dissent from/contradict the "official" narrative. The government first set its sights on Substack during covid, when it caught wind of writers like Alex Berenson, Robert Malone, Toby Rogers, and several others pushing back on the lockdowns, masks "efficacy", vaccine "safety & efficacy", etc. As an example, https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/27/anti-vaxxers-making-at-least-25m-a-year-from-publishing-on-substack

Here are a few other examples of the government targeting alternative platforms, like Rumble and Spotify (in addition to Substack), as well as public figures and independent journalists who refuse to propagate govt-authorized views:

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-pressure-campaign-on-spotify

https://www.racket.news/p/transcript-interview-with-glenn-greenwald?publication_id=1042&post_id=138423401&isFreemail=false&r=mzsp6

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/left-right-populism-greenwald-taibbi-tulsi-rcna64256

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/lawsuit-trusted-news-initiative-antitrust-first-amendment-censoring-covid-content/

Notice their tactics basically come from the same playbook.

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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

In what the late Saddam Hussein once dubbed “the great Satan,” roughly two-thirds of the United States enlisted military corps is white . . .

The fat, bulbous, U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin once confirmed in a 93-2 vote of the U.S. Senate, immediately embarked on a whirlwind media tour of duty, telling the pseudo-secular sycophants in the state-controlled tabloid press and state-controlled television talk show circuit about how the U.S. Army is full of bad racist white men.

Senior Defense Department leaders celebrating yet another Pride Month at the Pentagon sounding the alarm about the rising number of state laws they say target the LGBTQ+ community, warned the trend is hurting the feelings of the armed forces . . . “LGBTQ plus and other diverse communities are under attack, just because they are different. Hate for hate’s sake,” said Gil Cisneros, the Pentagon’s undersecretary for personnel and readiness, who also serves as DoD’s chief diversity and inclusion officer.

And now the U.S. Army is doing ads begging for more young white males?

What happened?

Even with a full-on declaration of war from Congress, and even if Gavin Newsome could be cheated into the Oval Office by ZOG somehow, while Globohomo diversity brigades go door-to-door looking to impress American children into military service, they will be met with armed, well-trained opposition, the invasion at the Southern border is going full tilt, and the drugs are flowing in like never before . . .

With the borders of Europe and the USA wide open, civil warfare within the USA, Britain, and most of Europe is a certainty if foreign wars are initiated. Nobody is going to fight a war for Biden, he is dumber than Bush . . . Nobody is going to fight a war for that kikesucking Zionist ass-whore Nikki Haley, and I mean nobody.

Get ready for it . . . the fat old devil worshipping fags on Capitol Hill, on Wall Street, in Whitehall, and in Brussels are in no shape to fight a war themselves, and most Americans are armed to the teeth with their own guns . . . NATO hates heterosexual white men . . . they said so themselves . . .

https://cwspangle.substack.com/i/138320669/nato-an-anti-white-and-anti-family-institution

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Malcolm J McKinney's avatar

One could plausibly argue that the broad publication of the declaration of independence and the US constitution has engendered spurious antidemocratic cliques.

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Mike Hind's avatar

Katz has the security of a legacy media presence from which to smear a rising competitor. Yours is the most articulate - and necessary - rebuttal I've seen. Where I diverge a bit is in thinking that his essay is largely attention-seeking for outrage clicks designed to damage all those who choose this as their publishing platform. He wants people who want their blogs read by a wider audience to be greeted with responses like 'oh, you're writing on that site where the Nazis are - good luck with that'. It's a business PR strike and nothing more. He doesn't even appear to have the integrity to leave behind a large paying audience by quitting a Nazi-friendly platform.

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Ian Nolan's avatar

Precisely my problem with it.

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Joe Keysor's avatar

I glanced at his article - he said ominously that "the Jewish question" was being discussed, as if no one but a Nazi would use such a term. I searched "Jewish question Substack" and the first site I found had nothing to do with anti-Semitism at all.

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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

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The only differences between kosher and halal are...

#1...in kosher slaughter, the rabbi must fellatiate all the male animals, this has a calming effect... for the rabbi...

#2...in halal slaughter, the imam must lick the anus of the animal, this makes the imam slightly more agitated...

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/satanism-is-a-jewish-cult

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antiscumitic ‧ an·ti-Scu·mit·ic | [an-tē-skum-ˈmə-tik], adjective; generally, a person who does not like chosen parasites, feeling or showing hostility toward international bankers, holy chosen nation robbers, or discrimination against pederasts, pornographers, or other hook-nosed rat like creatures from East of the Sinai Peninsula.

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/oh-how-fond-they-are-of-the-book

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How does a Jew get to Heaven from dry humping the Wailing Wall like Miley Cyrus?

https://cwspangle.substack.com/i/138320669/how-does-a-jew-get-to-heaven-from-dry-humping-the-wailing-wall-like-miley-cyrus

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Crapp's avatar

Bravo.

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Ian Nolan's avatar

Thanks!

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Leonard Morton's avatar

When in doubt, cast satanic panic

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Clarence Wilhelm Spangle's avatar

Satanism is a Jewish cult . . . SATAN IS A HEBREW GOD . . .

https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/satanism-is-a-jewish-cult

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Kat Berenson (they/them)'s avatar

This is a wonderful and well-conceptualized article and I deeply appreciate the nuance of the viewpoints. Indeed, the only part of the article I take issue with is this one: “yes, it [overt racist ideolology and racially motivated violence] does still exist in subtle ways, but no matter how you slice it, the days of the KKK being able to hijack the streets of South Carolina for marches are summarily extinct.”

I would say the framing that they still exist in "subtle" ways is a bit...head in the sand for our times. The newest iteration of the KKK, the Proud Boys, proudly (ba-dump-bump!) march across the country, their "free speech" actively protected by police, while Black Lives Matter protesters, also expressing their right to free speech, get tear sprayed and gassed (My family has experienced this personally and documented it. I am newer to substack so am not sure how to link things but am always happy to share my sources.)

More personally, as a queer Jew and so someone who lives and works with folks with marginalized identities, I have also not found anti-semitism or homophobia to be remotely subtle, and I have indeed experienced it as on the rise. I have personally experienced the rise of the social comfort with anti-Semitic tropes, not to mention homophobic and transphobic policies that are leading to an extraordinary rise in trans and non-binary suicidal ideation, plan and intent.

This argument relies on the same values that let people say in 2015-2018, “MMR is basically eradicated, so let's not worry about innoculation," and led to a 400%-ish (don't come at me for my math, coffee hasn't kicked in) rise in cases in 2019. My argument here isn't about vaccination, it is the idea that there is equal danger in pretending a problem that appears small therefore isn't a problem as there is in overstating an issue. Saying that racism, white-supremacy, anti-semitism, homophobia and transphobia are more subtle than they were in the 60's denies the lived experience of those from those groups. Sure, does it look different? Somewhat, but not nearly as much as you seem to imagine. I'd argue the storming of the capital on January 6th, which was stocked by run of the mill Proud Boy white supremacists, is not a "subtle" presentation of the vision of a country that embodies the KKK ideal of "everyone is equal as long as everyone is male, straight and white." Regardless of how it appears, is it just as pervasive, excessive, and dangerous as it was in the 1960's, 1700s, and the millenia leading up to it? Yes. Agreed unequivocally that anti-semetic kindling was around long before Substack, and appreciate the humorous jab that "should Guttenberg take the blame?" But there is a difference between kindling existing and actively lighting a flame to ignite it. Monetizing Nazi ideology and profiting from it sure seems like a match.

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"Saying that racism, white-supremacy, anti-semitism, homophobia and transphobia are more subtle than they were in the 60's denies the lived experience of those from those groups."

Nolan's exact words were, "Yet, in the many years following these supposed platforming incidents, lynchings, segregation, and outright racism among the lay populace has all but disappeared (yes, it does still exist in subtle ways...)." Notice he was speaking only of racism. Nowhere did he say anything about homophobia or transphobia.

It's also interesting that you decry the Proud Boys and other J6 "offenders," yet say nothing of the arguably MORE destructive BLM rioters. Seems like a double-standard.

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Kat Berenson (they/them)'s avatar

All due respect, but once you say J6 "offenders" in quotes, and argue that the Proud Boys, whose fundamental purpose is a white supremacist America in which Jewish queers like me literally do not have a right to live and exist, are less destructive than those who are quite literally fighting for Black bodied people to have the right to live without being shot for being black in America, I am not sure anything I have to say will be heard. What is your point in this? Just to be argumentative and defensive? My point is that perhaps lynchings are less common, but segregation and outright racism is alive and well in America. A simple google search, or better, white bodied men talking to pretty much any brown bodied human rather than relying on their own lived experience, will prove this point.

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TeeJae's avatar

You put a lot of words in my mouth for things I did not say. I'm seeing a pattern here. As to my point, I feel I made it pretty clear.

It's interesting you think the BLM rioters (which, yes, caused much more destruction than the few who broke into the Capitol) were fighting for the rights of black people; as opposed to say, exploiting a chaotic situation (that perhaps they themselves caused). I would bet it's also a bridge too far for you to fathom that those rioters were actually Antifa operatives intentionally causing destruction in their role as controlled opposition, as is common practice in most protests/rallies that the government preferred not occur... even (gasp!) among the J6 crowd. Don't come back at me with the "conspiracy theory" nonsense. What I've described has been well-documented in the historical record of the last several decades.

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Ian Nolan's avatar

Well, I get what you’re getting at and agree in spirit, but I wouldn’t want government to harass anyone at all.

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How does a Jew get to Heaven from dry humping the Wailing Wall like Miley Cyrus?

Enquiring minds would like to know, so let’s ask Brother Nathaniel:

Jews go to the Wailing Wall and thrust their hips to imitate having intercourse with their “shekinah” (a female demon) while praying to their devil . . . at an old Roman fortress called Antonia . . .

https://cwspangle.substack.com/i/138320669/how-does-a-jew-get-to-heaven-from-dry-humping-the-wailing-wall-like-miley-cyrus

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fuck you and your jewish god, you kikesucking zionist ass-whore

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